Problem adding fixtures to color preset

Software Version: 4.10.1265.0
NX Console Type or PC OS Version: NX-K

When I select fixtures, hit RECORD, select my preset (color, intensity, whatever), then choose MERGE current data, nothing happens. The preset remains grayed out – the fixtures are not added to it.

I was able to add fixtures to my Red preset, but only by selecting all relevant fixtures, setting up the color in the programmer, then choosing REPLACE instead of MERGE.

What am I doing wrong???

When recording to an existing preset, make sure that you have parameters in the programmer, so that these parameters can be added. If you have not adjusted parameters manually, they will not have been brought into the programmer, so won’t be included when recording. If you would like to bring colour parameters into the programmer without adjusting them, tap LOAD, and from the Load Options choose Color, and hit ENTER.

In case changes have been made to your Record Options, tap RECORD, and then choose the refresh icon, to revert the settings to default. Then attempt to record to the exiting preset again.

If this still doesn’t seem to be working, use the same process, but record to an empty preset - do your fixtures then get included as expected?

That worked. Thank you very much!!!

I think my confusion is VERY similar to an issue where I couldn’t figure out how to remove a parameter from a preset. In that case, I didn’t understand the difference between CLEAR on my NX-K and “clear” in the parameter window.

In this case, if I had not already been through the other issue, I would not have figured out that I needed to “load” from the parameter window instead of using LOAD on the NX-K.

Also, after revisiting the manual (again), the requirement to adjust/load parameters is not mentioned in that section.

Can someone point me to a section in the manual that provides an explanation of the difference between LOAD/CLEAR on my NX-K and “load” and “clear” in the parameter section? Are there other areas of the system with similar ambiguity? Also, I’m still not confident I understand how “clear”, “load”, and “default” work in the parameter context menu.

Lastly, would be really helpful if the documentation made it clear what key/button is supposed to be pressed when the console keys and context menus use the same names for different functions, rather than assuming the noob user will find the parameter context menu on their own. Maybe it does and I’m missing it?

The simplest way to remove a parameter from a preset, is to tap EDIT, and then tap your preset. Then, right-click on the parameter you would like to remove, and choose “Clear”. You can then tap UPDATE to save your changes. The parameter you cleared will then be removed from the preset.

The LOAD command can be used to Load parameter groups into the command line. By default, if you type LOAD 1 ENTER, you will load all parameters of fixture 1 into the programmer. If you just want to load the colour of fixture 1, you could do the following:

  • LOAD 1, choose Color from the Load Options, and then press ENTER.
  • Select fixture 1, right-click Color in the parameter controls, choose Load
  • Select fixture 1, press and hold LOAD, tap Color in the parameter controls.

All three methods have the same results.

If you just want to load a single parameter, rather than a whole parameter group, select the fixture, find the parameter on the encoders, right-click that parameter, and then choose Load. Or, select the fixture, hold LOAD, and tap that parameter in the parameter controls.

This functionality is then identical for the CLEAR command:

  • CLEAR 1 ENTER clears all parameters of fixture 1 from the programmer
  • CLEAR 1 Color ENTER clears all colour parameters of fixture 1 from the programmer
  • Select fixture 1, right-click Color, choose Clear, also clears all colour parameters of fixture 1 from the programmer
  • Select fixture 1, press and hold CLEAR, tap Color in the parameter controls, also clears all colour parameters of fixture 1 from the programmer
  • Select fixture 1, right-click a particular parameter, choose Clear, will clear this particular parameter.
  • Select fixture 1, press and hold CLEAR, tap a parameter in the parameter controls, will also clear this particular parameter.

If you open the Programmer window on the console, this allows you to easily see what you are loading/clearing.

I hope this helps.

That helped tremendously. I was misunderstanding the parameter context buttons as completely different functions. It seems they’re just pre-filtering the LOAD. I think I’m starting to get it.

Thank you.

With many functions in ONYX, there is a command-line, syntax-based way of doing something, and then a way of doing the same thing through the user-interface, such as right-clicking in this case.

You can use whichever method works best for you.

Let us know if there’s anything else we can help with.

Looks like I’m still getting something wrong. I added my new fixtures to the intensity presets, but I see now that the values stored for those fixtures were the ones from when I adjusted the parameters to get the intensity loaded into the programmer. I’m having to go into each preset and adjust the intensity for the new fixtures manually. I expected the new fixtures would “pick up” the parameters from the preset.,?

So, I’m working on color presets now. I’m recording the new fixtures into the preset, then clearing the programmer. Then, going back into the preset via EDIT and adjusting the parameters to match the pre-existing fixtures. This seems like the wrong way to do this… :person_shrugging:

Also, I’ve got some 4-channel fixtures and the Amber and/or White channels aren’t getting stored. If I go back into the preset through EDIT and update the parameter for the fixtures and hit UPDATE, the values are still blank next time I pull the preset into the programmer.

If you add a parameter to a preset, it will be added in its current value. It won’t automatically “copy” the value that is already in the preset for other fixtures.

Let’s say fixture 1 is recorded in preset 1, and I want to add fixture 2 to the preset, in the same values as fixture 1. To do this, with no fixtures selected apply the preset. This should send the recorded fixtures to these values. Then type LOAD 2 @ 1 ENTER, to set fixture 2 to the same values as fixture 1. Then tap RECORD, tap the preset, and choose Merge, to add fixture 2 to preset 1.

When adjusting your Amber and White parameters, make sure they have a red background on their encoder displays. This means they are in the programmer, and will be recorded.

@CEHavteam -

One additional thing to mention that might help clarify some things. A preset can only adjust parameter values in previously stored cue(s). A preset cannot add parameters. So, if you have a preset (example Blue with R=0, G=0, B=100) and use that preset in a cue (example cue 1), that is now stored and referenced in that cue for those RGB values. If you edit the preset blue to contain a fixture that has Amber (example Blue with R=0, G=0, B=100, A=0) that will not update your cue 1 with the new paramter. You would have to edit cue 1 and select your fixtures and apply the updated Preset, which will now add the Amber value to that cue. But if you have a preset and you want to edit the preset Blue (example Blue with R=0, G=20, B=80) it will update the cue(s) containing the new values, because RGB was already in the cue. And if you also updated the cue to now include the amber parameter, then it would update amber as well. So in short, presets can adjust parameters already stored in cues, but can not add parameters (or fixtures) to previously stored cue(s). I hope that makes sense, but that might help clarify.

Watson

That’s a hugely important bit of information that I wouldn’t have found any time soon! Thank you so much! :+1: